Thursday, March 09, 2006

This blog was begun out of the necessity for a united voice to speak out against the recent criticisms of the Sheaf as a result of the Capitalist Piglet debacle. We represent different colleges, different facets of the community and different beliefs, but we are united in our support of the Sheaf as an independent media source and as a vital medium for U of S students. Our focus is not on whether or not Capitalist Piglet was offensive, but rather on affirming the necessity of indepedent media in our community. We welcome your thoughts and support and can be reached at supportthesheaf@gmail.com.

15 Comments:

Blogger Willem said...

Good to see! I would never want to see the Sheaf sunk because of this controversy. The necessity we have for an independant media source like the Sheaf is far too great to be extinguished by a cartoon.

4:05 PM  
Blogger tomax7 said...

I'm so excited!

So when or where can I expect to see the word "accountability" show up in this blog?

4:58 PM  
Blogger SaskAgg said...

This is sweet, I am sure you will get a pile of support for your unaccountable and Mandatorily funded editorial policies.

Keep your eye on the door during the AGM. I am sure you will be suprised at the number of us who are going to come out to make our voices heard and expose your leftist Socialist little rag for what it has become. This is no different than any other stinking mess, just follow the money. Something I am sure you pompous jerks will have a hard time doing without.

We do not want to sink the Sheaf, just remove the Levy and bring accountability to this thing. Remember the paper is 90+ years old, and the Levy has only been in for 10 years. It will survive and be better without the Levy and you jerks.

Oh and don't think it is lost on us to see the NDP Crown corporations coming to your aid with advertising dollars, the issue after you have portrayed Jesus giving a Capitalist Pig a blowjob.

Socialist Pigs = SheafBoard
Hypocrites = SheafBoard
Soon to Be Broke = SheafBoard
Soon to Be Accountable = SheafBoard

Soon to Be Run Like a Capitalistic Business and Make It On Its Own = THE SHEAF

See you on the 23rd you Red Commie Bastards.

5:51 PM  
Blogger Richard said...

tomax7,

The Sheaf has a board of directors made up of students of many stripes. The Sheaf staff have not handled themselves very well in the media on this one but the current structure is an accountable structure especially seeing as the bylaws are up for discussion every year at an annual general meeting. The organization is democratic throughout and the board is most definitely not comprised of a bunch of lefties as saskagg suggests...just ask them, and they'll tell you!

saskagg,

You really need to relax a bit there buddy. I think that you are maybe coming a little undone.

BTW, did you know that when the fees came into being that there was a referendum of the entire student body in order to authorize the levy? I don't think that implicating the majority of students who voted that year in your little fantasy communist theory is cool.

What's this crap about running the paper like a "Capitalistic Business"? Have you noticed that the Sheaf is free? Are you suggesting that a fee be charged once you've taken the organization's stable funding away? That's your capitalism isn't it? Free papers for all students defintely doesn't fit the profile of a capitalist business. That'll really help the paper get back on its feet...cut the readership drastically and try and sell ads then! No business in their right mind would buy an ad from an almost broke student paper that charges a fee for the paper. Student papers are not "Capitalistic Businesses" - they are a service to students. They do not charge a weekly rate bc they would go broke! That is not commie lingo, that is the way it is.

If you and your band of reactionaries go out there on the 23rd and kill the student paper I and many others will not be very happy. Take a breath. The main editor is gone (after he apologized), the board and staff have all apologized, the paper is willing to talk about this mistake in an open and fair manner at the AGM on the 23rd. Why take the funding away? I would bet big bucks that a mistake like this (the cartoon) will never happen again. And exactly how would taking away funding ensure that another mistake wouldn't happen anyways sometime down the road? Don't tell me that you think "the market will govern" the organization and that fear of losing ad buyers will keep them in line bc as we have seen this week - only one ad was cancelled THE VERY NEXT WEEK AFTER the infamous cartoon. Didn't hurt the bottom-line much at all. Sounds like you have a different axe you are grinding here...maybe you have something else against the paper or certain staff/board members. If not then you are simply barking up the wrong tree. What you propose will silence our student voice bc it will shut the paper down. Don't do it.

Other people out there who are interested in intelligent conversation on this same topic should check out the conversation raging on at: http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=001535

8:43 PM  
Blogger Spearin said...

Can't wait to see you sink your side of the issue saskagg.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to light my joint with a flaming Bible in order to read my copy of the Communist Manifesto.

(That was sarcasm, and I know it doesn't exist on the internet, so I thought I might point it out to you.)

11:00 PM  
Blogger tomax7 said...

richard: "The Sheaf staff have not handled themselves very well in the media on this one..."

- From what I read, the Sheaf staff did very well according to some of the past editors on another blog...not SDA's either.

Oh and I did ask a couple of them and the answer more or less came across as issues with ego's and a hard-on against theocracy.

11:38 PM  
Blogger Mark Watson said...

Hard-ons against theocracy? I must have missed that. But since we (apparently) live in a democracy and not a theocracy, I don't think one ought to be too ashamed of that. Judging by how theocracies tend to go, I think we should feel pretty good that we aren't Iran.

Saskagg:
Congratulations, you'd make a model citizen of a banana republic.

10:31 AM  
Blogger tomax7 said...

Mark:

Maybe theocracy wasn't the proper term in the letter of the law approach.

But three seperate cartoons in the same issue mocking Christianity isn't a hard on? Let alone in the "Cartoon" section no doubt. Soft porn excluded.

Without taking theocracy to the extreem let me make a few observations...

This country's confederation was founded on Something; our national anthem asks Someone to keep us glorious and free.

When you go to court, most of the time you place your hand on a... newspaper?

A lot of our laws stem from books written by a bunch of guys about 2000-4000 years ago.

99% of movies speak a certain person's name when swearing for some reason.

Sounds like a theocracy?

And like America "In GOD we trust", all others pay cash is another country founded on theocracy.

11:23 AM  
Blogger Mark Watson said...

Actually in Canadian Courts you can opt not to swear on the Bible.

As for, "in god we trust," it was added to their money amost 100 years after the founding of the country. As for it's apperance in the Pledge, that dates back to only 1957 and the actions of a rather famous Senator, Mr. McCarthy. Also, it's was found unconstitutional just a couple years ago. If you have read much of the founding fathers, some of them were somewhat religious, but few in any fundamentalist sense. For instance, the Jeffersonian Bible omits all supernatural acts performed by Jesus.

The motto of America is, I believe, “E Pluribus Unum,” or "Out of Many, One." That's a nice message, one I think everyone can agree on.

Finally, as for law, we aren't particularily ruled by the ideas put forth 2000-4000 years ago, if by that you mean the Bible. Let's take "An Eye for an Eye," it appears in a rather bizarre section dealing with what to do if your neighbour's ox gores you or falls into a hole you have dug (Exodus 21, 28-36). We do have a number of ideas from the Greeks and Romans, such as democracy, habeas corpus, et al.

But I feel this is hardly here nor there, as we are discussing the right for a newspaper to publish what it wishes.

Sorry if I have been especially caustic, Tomax7.

11:53 AM  
Blogger tomax7 said...

Mark, by no means apologize, if I deserve it, fire away. I don't claim to have all the answers, but when I see something being unfairly skewed (like freedom of speech), then I do take exception for it.

Now, you have some valid points regarding the American view, dare I say the Jefferson bible like other versions don't hold out over the test of time for a reason. I was making an off the cuff remark about what's on the US dollar.

Regarding my Canadian points, I made seem to have been missed them in your discourse.

1:14 PM  
Blogger tomax7 said...

Sheesh

"I seem to have missed them in your discourse."

English is my 6th language eh...

1:15 PM  
Blogger Mark Watson said...

Okay, here's the 1867 constitution that our country was founded on. I can't find any mention of god in it.

"Oh Canada" has been our national anthem since 1980 only. Since the song was written in french, originally, there were numerous different drafts of english lyrics. The one that is selected happens to have "god" in it, the french lyrics do not.

1:29 PM  
Blogger tomax7 said...

Link bad.

Updates to Justice Laws Web Site
The Department of Justice is in the process of upgrading its online ability.

You're right, no reference to God found on the 1867 one. Will check further into it, as it may be done via reference to British monarchy. Same with most of the coats of the provinces have a cross on it.

Reference to God in 1982 version:

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/const/annex_e.html#I

"Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law"

7:09 PM  
Blogger tomax7 said...

Bill of Rights, 1960.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/c-12.3/174192.html

The Parliament of Canada, affirming that the Canadian Nation is founded upon principles that acknowledge the supremacy of God, the dignity and worth of the human person and the position of the family in a society of free men and free institutions;

7:15 PM  
Blogger Ross said...

besides the fact that i agree with free speech and a free and independant media, i also thought that capitalist piglet cartoon was friggin hilarious.
the god nuts, and jesus freaks are all a bunch of hypocrites for crying foul over this, when in all likely hood they supported denmark during the whole mohammed cartoon fiasco.
lets just make fun or everyones god, gods, prophets, or whatever they believe in.

7:33 PM  

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